SPEAKER_00 0:05

My name's Yasmin, and welcome to Hot Girls Have Endo, the podcast where we talk about the parts of endometriosis that nobody prepared us for. The pain, the gaslighting, the inflammation, the way it can take over your body and your life. But before we go any further, let's talk about the name because it is tongue-in-cheek. Hot Girls Have Endo comes from that ridiculous and later retracted study that tried to link endometriosis with attractiveness. So we decided to reclaim it. To us, hot means resilience. It means showing up even when your body feels like it's fighting you. It means advocating for yourself after you've been dismissed and building a life that isn't defined by shame, silence, or just a bad period. Because let's face it, that's not what endo is. It's not just about cramps and another bad period. It's inflammatory. It is systemic and it can affect everything from your body, your mood, your energy, your relationships, your fertility, and your confidence. And this podcast is where we talk about it honestly: the messy parts, the hopeful parts, and the real parts. Okay, so today on the podcast, we have a really special guest. Her name is Emma Rose, and she is a creator and endometriosis advocate. And she has built up a wonderful community, especially on TikTok. And I'm so excited to speak to her about her journey and what it's been like sharing her experiences online. So Emma Rose, welcome. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm excited. We're excited to have you. If you want, you can just give like let everyone know who you are.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Yeah. So, like you said, my name is Emma Rose. Um, I like to call myself a former professional ballet dancer, turned crunchy military wife. Um, I um I married my amazing husband, Daniel, when I was 20 years old. And we've been adventuring ever since. It's been almost four years, and I have endometriosis. So I came to a point in my life where I realized that conventional medicine and everything that I was, you know, reading about endometriosis, everything that I was learning about it, like it just it wasn't gonna cut it anymore. And so I took the more holistic route. And after hours and hours and hours of research with that, I decided to start sharing it online, and that's what I do. And I love women, I love advocating for women's health, and I love creating content.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

So that is wonderful. Thank you so much for being on today. I actually found you through TikTok and I was following you, and I found your content really helpful because I had also found myself in this position of like, you know, I had tried birth control and different prescription drugs and nothing was working. And I was also getting really sick and tired of putting different things into my body that didn't make me feel great. So when I found you, it was kind of a breath of fresh air because a lot of the creators I had found were just talking about, you know, Orelissa and the different types of birth controls. And it's something that I'd already been through and didn't really sit well with my body. So I guess going back to when did you first start to get painful periods? Like what age were you when that first started happening for you?

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Yeah, first of all, thank you for the kind words. I of course I found you um a long time ago. I remember getting an ad and I was so, so excited. So I feel very similarly. But um I know that every woman with endometriosis is completely different, and some women don't start presenting symptoms until after they've had children, or maybe even when they're already in perimenopause. But for me, um I was very blessed to um start experiencing pain before I even got my first period. Part of that is probably like my background in dance and just more of like the muscular side of things. The whole year before I got my period, I was in and out of the doctor with pelvic pain, and I didn't really know what pelvic pain was. I didn't really know like what I was experiencing. I mean, it just felt like a bellyache. But after several ultrasounds and going to several doctor's appointments, my mom was kind of like, it really sounds like you're describing period cramps, and you haven't even gotten your period. And I was starting to get kind of like cyclical discharge and like things like that. So my mom was like, I think your body's trying to like start cycling a little bit. I don't know if that's the case, but that's when I started started to experience pain. And then I got my first period at 12. I kind of started with back pain, and then a few years later kind of became full daily everything.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

And at what point did you realize that the pain and the symptoms that you were experiencing weren't really normal?

SPEAKER_01 4:35

I was very blessed to have a mother who was somewhat educated about endometriosis. I guess one of my dance teachers had endometriosis and she knew that she was dealing with infertility and very painful periods. And then my mom herself, it took her over five years to get pregnant with me. She ended up getting an HSG ultrasound and she had block tubes. And just based off of some other symptoms, her doctor said, you know, we can't say for sure, but it really seems like you have endometriosis. And so my mom did know about it because of that. She suggested to me probably like eight or nine months into having my period, I was very regular from the start. I like always had 28-day cycles. I always got my period normally. So, right from the start, like seven or eight, nine periods, and I don't know, she was like, I think you might have endometriosis. I did a deep dive. Um, I went on YouTube and I'm a researcher, like I love research. So I've been like that my whole life. So I went on YouTube, I started, you know, listening to people's stories, and I was like, maybe I don't have it because these are, you know, 25, 30-year-old women talking about their stories, and they're talking about having pain every single day. And I was really only having like super severe pain on the first day of my period. And so I kind of discounted myself a little bit. I was still like, my friends aren't experiencing this, and like this is crazy. So I don't know, if it weren't for my mom, I might not have realized that what I was experiencing was not normal. So shout out to my amazing mom who's always been my best advocate, and she's always believed me and supported me in every way.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, that's amazing, and that's so special to have had your mom like supporting you the whole way through. Yeah. And so having her, how did that kind of lead you down the rabbit hole of like working towards getting a diagnosis? Like how many years had passed between when you like first got your period around 12 to searching for that diagnosis?

SPEAKER_01 6:21

I started telling my primary care doctor that I was having really painful periods and she dismissed me right off the bat. Probably took three or four visits with her, and I was a very sick child. I had all the signs of not only immune dysfunction, but also like histamine issues, like all the things that we see so commonly with people with endometriosis. I was in and out of the doctor all the time, and I had chronic UTIs and chronic strep throat, like all these things. And so, you know, every time I would go into the doctor, I would use that opportunity to be like, oh, also, like before we end this appointment, like I'm in a lot of pain, and I was always dismissed. And then I we might get to this later, but I moved away from home at 14 to train pre-professionally in ballet, and when I would come home on my break, sometimes I would see my mom's OBJYN, and she also dismissed me. I had like gone to the emergency room for some like different things, and like people dismissed me there. Eventually, I think when I was about 15, I went back to my mom's OBGYN and she prescribed me progestin and a diuretic with that. And for anyone listening, like, please avoid progestin at all costs. Like, I mean, obviously, it's totally up to you what you decide to do with your own health, but it's it's so different than bioidentical progesterone. And you know, progesterone is inflammatory and cancer-causing and can raise your histamines and activate your mast cells, whereas bioidential progesterone can be anti-inflammatory and mast cell stabilizing and cancer preventing. And so I didn't know any of that, but I was like, it's not birth control. So this is great that it's not birth control. So I tried it and I was literally insane on it. Like, insane. I've never had like PMDD that bad. Like it was the craziest month of my whole life. Like I was a horrible, horrible, horrible person. But that was kind of, I guess those were kind of the early steps that I took. It's like a young teenager. I don't know if that really properly answers the question.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

It does. And I can sympathize with you so much because I feel like I had a very similar journey at the start. I also got my period at 12. And like you, I was also a very sick child in and out of my doctor's office constantly. I had a male um primary care doctor, but like you, at the end of every single appointment, I would say, by the way, my periods are so bad. And my mom had endometriosis and she had had an excision surgery prior. Um, so she, you know, would also say, It sounds a lot like my endometriosis. Do you think that's what it could be? And same thing, they would just be like, you know, it's just a painful period. Eventually they put me on birth control at the age of 13. And um, then I had a lot of like GI issues as well growing up. So I went on so many rounds of like H. pylori medication that they thought it was always H. pylori. And it's just really frustrating when you're young because people dismiss you so quickly. And I can't even imagine what it was like to leave home at 14 to do your ballet and be away from home and experience all of that and then come back and, you know, on your break and still be dismissed. It you must have felt so frustrated.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Yeah, it was very frustrating. And I was very blessed because I lived with my cousin. He had a six-year-old daughter, and I lived with um him and his wife while I my first year while I was off at Houston Ballet Academy, and she actually has endometriosis. And I remember watching her limp around the house and just be like doubled over. It was very comforting to know, like on my hard days, that there was somebody who understood me. So that was like one benefit to everything, I guess. Like one one good thing I should say. But yeah, and I was very similar to you, like horrible gut issues, like I was lactose intolerant and had all these food allergies, like me too. All the things, and it's I one thing that I love about you know doing what I do is seeing people connect all the dots that, like, oh my chronic gut issues are connected.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

All connected, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. And so when you were doing ballet, I guess what or sorry, when it came to getting a diagnosis, what came first? Did you try and kind of like manage your symptoms naturally first, or did you get the diagnosis first? And that kind of led you down the rabbit hole of trying to heal, not heal, but like manage your symptoms more naturally. What was that like, that whole process?

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Yeah, so I mean, my family has always been a little more naturally minded. My mom's best best friend growing up was like about as crunchy as it gets, and she still is to this day. And she would tell my mom, like, make sure they don't put her on birth control, and you know, you should try this and you should try that. But my mom was very scrunchy, like she didn't want to be extreme, which I my mom was great at balance. That's something still to this day that we all applaud her on. We're like, we love how balanced you are in every aspect of her life. But for like religious reasons, she didn't want me going on birth control. And when she shared that with me and like kind of explained it all, I felt the exact same way. And then my dad is super, super holistically minded as well. Like he's a little bit of a hippie in some ways, which I absolutely love, even like more so than my mom. And so he would try to tell me things, and he would say, I read this study, like you should try this supplement, or you should try this, or make sure you don't do that, or honey, you need to be like, you know, eating clean and eating protein, and like you need to be watching that that will like affect your inflammation pain. Like that, he used the word inflammation my whole childhood, like constantly. And I did not listen most of the time. I rolled my eyes and I was like, you don't understand, nothing helps. I've tried everything. And I remember at one point he was like, You have to try turmeric. Like it is like so promising, it'll lower your inflammation, it'll help your pain. Like, there are all these studies on it. And I remember like popping it on like the first day of my period one time, and I was like, Dad, it didn't work. It didn't work because I didn't understand that you have to be taking it for months for it to start doing all that. But that's kind of like my background with my childhood. My parents wanted me to take a more natural approach and encouraged that, but we didn't really have all the tools that we needed, and then kind of like fast-forwarding, I had my first surgery scheduled, and I think we were like a month and a half out, and I was at a point where I was like at my wits' end and I was like, I would rather die than go through another one of these periods. Like, I cannot do this, like I I'm not okay. I just remember praying. I was on my brother's couch, I was staying with them one night, and um, I was just like, God, if there is anything, anything out there that can help me, like please show it to me. Like, I am done. Like, I'm at my end here. I I can't do this anymore. And I woke up the next morning and I opened Instagram, and the very first reel was like this woman talking about naturally managing endometriosis, talking about all these strategies, and then I like look through her page and I don't even remember who she was or anything, and I was like, there's hope, like there are things helping people.

unknown 13:15

What the heck?

SPEAKER_00 13:16

And talk about a sign.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Yes, and then I go back to my feed and I start scrolling again and video after video after video after video. They're all about endometriosis, about hormone balancing, about non-toxic living, in like removing endocrine disruptors from your home, like thing after thing after thing. So I get home from this trip and I go up to my husband and I'm like, oh my gosh, we're throwing out all the fragrance in the whole house. And he's like, What? And I'm like, you have to watch these videos. Like I had saved all of them into an album or into a I don't know, an album, something in Instagram. And I'm showing him and called my friend who is like my best friend in the world, and she's pretty crunchy now. But at the time she was like, Emma Rose, don't fall for all this. And then I called a different friend and she was like, Girl, I've been crunchy for years. Like, this is the life.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Should have called me sooner.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Exactly. And so as you know, products started running out, I would research better ones. Um I started changing everything over, and then immediately I bought wild yam cream um because I heard using that in the luteo phase is amazing for naturally raising your progesterone and kind of balancing everything out. And so I started using that. And I remember that period before my surgery. I probably the most pain I was in the whole time was like maybe a level three, maybe. Wow. Just when I very first started, like maybe like the first two hours of bleeding, like maybe a three. And I was like, I don't even know if I need three at this point. This is great. And at that point, I was in daily pain. Um, my IBS was at the worst it had already been, or my IBS was at the worst it had ever been. I was low FODMAP for two years at that point, and it still wasn't helping, and it was just a disaster. Like I felt like I was just a disaster. That was kind of like that first little ray of hope where I was like, oh my gosh, you can do things that help. Like, this is crazy. And I went in and I I told my surgeon, and her jaw dropped to the floor, and she was like, What the heck? Like, wow, what do you mean? Like your your pain is down and everything. I still went through with the surgery, and then of course, after the surgery, yeah, after the surgery, I went hardcore with with uh everything, and I continued having crazy relief and kind of before, kind of after.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Okay, but and that's amazing. I think, yeah, that first like aha moment when you like get that first period where all of a sudden like you're bracing yourself for the worst and it doesn't come, is yeah, there's like no feeling to describe it. I was just yeah, I had similar with Deia, and I was just in so much shock and disbelief because my expectations were still on the floor because I think I was still of the mindset where, like, you know, I had tried everything and I had seen, you know, like about the endocrine disruptors and like eliminating fragrance and you know, harmful chemicals with cleaning products in our home. And I was like making those small little changes. So, you know, I didn't really know what to expect with supplementing. And it was like first month a few changes that I noticed, second month a lot more changes, and I just wasn't expecting to feel so many changes by like month three, and like I really didn't know that it would be so possible to manage my symptoms like so wildly to the point where I really felt human again. Yeah. So and I mean, having surgery on top of that, like you put yourself in such a good position, right? Coming out of surgery, your symptoms were already feeling a lot better. And after surgery, I'm sure with the consistency of and reintroducing these new products into your household, you know, you were setting yourself up with so much success. So I'm like so happy to hear how that went for you.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Yeah, it's like when you like leave the sound machine on during the day, and then you realize it's it was on from last night, and you turn it off, and you're like, that was so overstimulating, and I didn't even realize it. It's like that, like even on those days that aren't your period when you have relief, you're like, there's been a noise on for years that has just been turned off, and it's like you just feel like clarity. It's it's crazy. Like that's how it feels to just not be in pain.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

It's a perfect way to describe it. It's a perfect way. And so, when you how did you find your surgeon? Did she, you know, was she recommended to you? Did you do your research and find her? Like, how did you find her?

SPEAKER_01 17:31

This is kind of a scenario that pops up in my DMs a lot, and so um, it's I try to give big sister advice because I have been there, done that. But I just went to our military doctor at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and said, you know, I want to see an OBGYN, I think I have endometriosis. So they had a surgeon there, and she was very young. She was trained in excision. I felt like a lot of her information was pretty accurate and reliable. But at that point, even with all the research I had been doing about low-tox living and more holistic practices, I it hadn't quite clicked that you need an excision specialist. I knew about excision versus ablation, but I didn't really understand the specialist part. And so I met with her, and first appointment, she wanted to put me on birth control. And I looked her in the eye and I said, no, I came into this appointment. And I, the first thing that came out of my mouth was, I want to finish this appointment without you suggesting birth control. Like I told her that at the start of the appointment. I was like, that is not my goal here. That is not what I want. Yeah, I like referred back to that when she suggested it. And it and she was like, okay, so what do you want me to do? And I said, I want you to give me surgery to find out if I have endometriosis. And I looked her dead in the eye and I stared her down. I was like, serious. I was like, I'm not messing around. And she was like, Oh, okay, we can do that. I have, you know, OR time next month. And I was like, Okay, wow, great, great. Thank you. So I was really excited for that surgery. And I remember kind of in the waiting period before the surgery, I came across something that was like, do not get surgery unless it's a specialist. And I was like, somebody finally listened. It's been, you know, at that point, probably nine years. And I was like, someone finally listened. Like, I I can't give up this OR spot. Like, I don't want to go through the hassle of finding an insurance-covered surgeon and just like I just and it probably would have been so much easier. Like, I probably could have gone up to like Cleveland Clinic or something. Like, I was in Ohio, so I could have found something. And I and my husband would have, you know, driven me wherever. Like he would have, we would have figured it out. But I think I was just at that point of desperation. And I see this in my DMs all the time where someone's like, I have surgery scheduled next week, but I don't know if they do excision. I don't know. And I'm like, don't do it. Like, I know you finally, finally got it scheduled. I know that you finally had somebody listen to you, but don't do it. So it there were good things about it, I will say. But as somebody who has POTS and has mast cell activation syndrome and has all these other issues, a weakened immune system, all the things that come with endo, I so regret like all the painkillers, the anesthesia, obviously the healing process, the inflammation, like all these things that I went through to not have it with a specialist, because it did affect my body and it did it did affect me. And that is my goal is to have the least amount of surgeries as possible. So I I wish that I would have listened to that Reddit thread that was saying, you know, don't go to somebody who's not a specialist. But basically, she was great, she was kind, she listened. Like pre-op was amazing. The nurses were so nice, it was such a good experience. But then I woke up and she said, We found one adhesion and one, what looks like an endometriosis implant lesion, some something. I don't know. Like on the photos, it just looks like you take like a little bit of uh strawberry jelly and like blop it. That's that's what it looked like. It was just it looked like a little red jelly bean, and she was like, I removed them and we'll have to like find out. And I was like, That's it, like you found one adhesion and one little implant. Like, I I don't know. And so the the results came back and it was negative for endometriosis. And I cried like I had never cried before in my whole life. I was depressed for like three weeks after that. I could not lift my own head, like I was so depressed, and I could not believe that I still didn't have answers after all this time. And I remember just like studying my photos and being like, what about this? What about that? Like looking up, like you know, endometriosis photos and like just trying to figure it out like how did this happen? And so at this point, I was like, I I have seen so many stories of people saying that they still had endo. It was just like their surgeon missed it. And so I was like, I'm still going forward as if I Have endo. So everything that I did management-wise was still with all the things that come with endo in mind, you know, inflammation and immune system stuff and mast cell stuff, like all of it. I was keeping that in mind. That kind of led me to an actual diagnosis down the road. But that's that's how I found that first surgeon. And it was so disheartening and so awful. But I chose to not let it stop me. And that's some advice that I would give to people. Like if you had a surgery and you came back negative for literally anything, ask yourself if you really had surgery with a specialist. And then if the answer is no, go get a second opinion because you deserve a diagnosis because you need to know how to manage your symptoms properly. And knowing that for certain helps so much.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Absolutely. And that's such important advice because no one knows your body better than you do. And I know you it probably felt so disheartening. And I mean, I don't know if you were like, Am I crazy? Like, is this in my head? Because I know I've had those moments. Um, so to have that after a surgery, I'm so sorry you went through that, but I'm so happy that you persevered. How long did you wait until you found your next surgeon? So, did you have two surgeries in total? Is that how many you've had? Or yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

So I've had two surgeries. Second experience was absolutely incredible, and I am so thankful for my second surgeon. We had moved down to Texas and we were gonna have to drive four hours to Austin, but it was so worth it because I wanted to pursue naprotechnology, which, if anyone doesn't know what that is, naprotechnology is just a technology that treats painful periods and infertility and women's health issues without the use of birth control or like hysterectomies. It's it's basically a fertility-preserving way of treating these issues. It's a little more holistically minded, it kind of depends on which naproductor you see. And naproductors can be a nurse practitioner or they can be, you know, an endometriosis specialist. So that's it's a broad spectrum of things, but definitely more holistic, definitely more naturally minded, and they will not prescribe you birth control at all because most, well, all of them are Catholic, and so they're they're against that. I found a surgeon and he had really good reviews and he was an excision specialist, and so I went to him and he walked right in the room and he said, Emma Rose, it looks like you're in a lot of pain. I am so sorry about that. Let's figure out what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

And I was like, So validating right there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

He is the most precious man. Like I love him so much, and I would trust him with my life. Like, well, I did because I had surgery with him, but I just adore him and I wish that I lived around Austin so that he could deliver my babies and be like my permanent doctor. Like, I I love him so much, um, and I'm so so thankful. But yeah, he found a lot of things that were missed. Um, he said that my first surgeon actually did a really good job, and I do believe that she had decently good training in the surgical techniques. I don't think she had good training in identifying endometriosis, and that was kind of the issue. But I had a ton more adhesions. I had adenomyiosis that was visually diagnosed. Of course, that can't be officially diagnosed until you have a hysterectomy, which I cannot wait for that day. But um, I had uterine polyps inside of my uterus. He was able to do an HSG ultrasound while I was under, which was so nice. I'm so thankful for that. And I had endosapingosis, endosapingosis, however you say it. It's you know, the fallopian tube version of endometriosis. I had deep infiltrating endometriosis in my cul-de-sac. Yeah, so there was a lot, a lot going on. And I woke up and he was like, Yeah, we found endometriosis everywhere. And I was like sobbing like a little baby, and it had only been I mean, I don't even think it had been two months. I think, or sorry, wow, no, two years from my last surgery is what I meant to say. There was a lot going on, and I was like, either while I was doing all these natural practices and my period pain was going way down, I was growing all of this and like all of this was happening, or she just missed all of it. So very, very, very thankful for that. And it was the best decision I ever made. I'm still writing, it's it's been, let's see, 10 months since my surgery, and I'm writing the surgery wave still and like living my best life. So yay!

SPEAKER_00 26:21

I'm so happy to hear that. And that's why it's so important to find a specialist.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

So, so important. And so you mentioned earlier that it's a question that you get a lot in your DMs, which brings me to your TikTok and how I found you. So, how did you when did you just decide that you were going to share everything about endometriosis and some about your journey on TikTok?

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Well, I've always been really open about my health and probably a little too too open sometimes. I think all of my friends' husbands know the inner workings of my health because I talk about it all the time. I love like natural family planning. I love like tracking my cycle, and my husband have used had my husband and I have used that as our form of birth control for our whole marriage. And so I found myself always talking about women's health with people, like other newlyweds, just being like, oh my gosh, I love like natural family planning. Like, let me tell you all about it. I was starting to realize that so many people I knew were suffering silently with like irregular periods, like more similar to PCOS, like not painful, or they were suffering with extremely painful periods and just not talking about it and kind of suffering silently, thinking that it's normal. And I was like, whoa, and I actually have I think three people in my personal life that ended up finding an excision specialist and ended up getting diagnosed with endometriosis because I told them, like, you have endometriosis, you like let me help you find a surgeon. So this was already happening in my life, and I was already so passionate about it. But I just kind of started a TikTok. My friend said, you know, you're you're good at content creation and you're not picking up on Instagram, so I think you need to try TikTok. So I started doing TikTok, but just like random stuff, like stuff about thrifting or military life or different things. And then one day I had really bad endobelly and I looked so pregnant that day, and I was like, I can't even suck it in. If I tried, we we all know that feeling. Yeah, and I was about to go on a walk around the neighborhood, and I just thought, like, oh my gosh, my neighbors are gonna think I'm pregnant. And we were living on a military base, and like, there's no privacy. Oh no, there's no privacy at all. And I was like, people are gonna think I'm pregnant, and so I made a TikTok about it, and it blew up, and I found like so many people asking me questions, and I was like, I love this stuff. I had already been going to public PT for two oh two years at that point, maybe. And my PT was always like Imrose, you need like you need to go back to school, you need to get a degree in women's health, like something, whether it's you know, public for therapy or something else, like you need to talk about this. Like you have so much knowledge, so much experience, and like you love and care about women so much and advocacy and all of it, like you have to do something with this. And so I'm gonna go back to school. I just found myself answering a lot of questions, and I was like, I actually like I kind of know how to answer these things, like maybe I should post more. And then I started realizing like how much this this sounds very rude, and I'm not trying to say it in that way, but like people didn't know about just simple, non-toxic living, simple, like very like the very basics of non-toxic living or like living a holistic lifestyle. And so that inspired me. And I was like, I'm gonna post, I'm gonna share. Like these things have worked for me, and I want others to know about them. And so that's kind of what started it.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Wow. And when did you start? Was it like in the last was it like a year ago or just over a year ago?

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Yeah, so my I think I started my page around like February 1st. And so my first post was probably in like my first indoor post was maybe in like early March or something like that. So March of 2025.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Oh wow. So it's not even really been a year. And you've already built up such like a wonderful community, and like you have so many, it's like a very safe space to have conversation. And I love the kind of content that you post too because a lot of it has made me feel seen too. Um, there was especially one post I remember you did about how certain parts of the community can sometimes be toxic in competition with pain. And I know it's really hard because you know what stage endo you have doesn't always correlate to how severe your symptoms are. And so I'm always really conscious of like reminding people about that because I don't want anyone to feel like just because they have stage one that their pain doesn't matter, and I know there's a lot of competition. So I remember seeing that video and I was like, I'm so glad someone is saying this because it should just be safe for everyone. Like, and that's what your page is. It's so safe for anyone who is diagnosed or undiagnosed or just curious about, you know, living a more holistic lifestyle. And as you've been growing, what kinds of conversations specifically have your community really been interested in learning more about or have they asked you a lot about?

SPEAKER_01 31:20

That's a great question. I think some of the biggest things that come through my DMs or on my comment section, like number one is how did you get a doctor to listen to you? How do you advocate for yourself? And I honestly should make more content on this because I think a lot of us feel like we need to be kind and respectful in doctor's appointments. But even like with my current surgeon that I adore, he is so kind, he would not hurt a fly. I call him out when he's wrong. If he's getting a detail about my medical history wrong, or if he's not understanding something, I call him out very quickly and I'm like, no, that's not right. And I do it firmly, and that has given me incredible results. So I I should talk about it a little more because advocating for myself has been the most empowering and amazing thing ever. And I always walk out of appointments now, like satisfied when I used to walk out of every appointment crying. And so that's something that comes through a lot. Another thing is like excision versus ablation, like that is like a never-ending conversation. Like I'm answering comments about that daily. Another thing is, of course, birth control, and I've seen this in many ways. Sometimes it's people rolling their eyes saying, and all they do is offer you birth control, and I'm like, Yes, I know, right? And then sometimes it's people really misunderstanding the purpose of my page, which is not to tell people to get off birth control. That is not what I'm doing. I don't know your body, I don't know. Some people react phenomenally, so like I'm I'm not here to do that. I will never go on it ever in my whole entire life. Like, I will avoid it like the plague, but I'm not here to tell you to not take birth control or to get off birth control. What I'm doing is I'm providing education and hope that if you're choosing that method and that style of management, there's hope and it can be successful. So that's that's I'm just trying to empower for the people who have already chosen that for themselves. That's a big one. And some people get really mad at me. And I had one post that I had to turn off the comments, like very rarely do I delete comments, block people, or turn off comments. But I had to on that one. People were like basically making it sound like I was trying to ban it for everyone um in the world. And then another one that comes up all the time that I feel like I am like, oh, this is just a never-ending battle, is PCOS. Like, I this is something that's happening all the time where I'm having to educate people on PCOS, and I don't even have PCOS. A lot of people don't understand that ovarian cysts are not PCOS, and a lot of people don't understand that polycystic ovaries are not PCOS. They don't understand that it is a disorder that has, you know, you have to have three things to be diagnosed: irregular periods, high androgens, and sorry, you don't have to have three things. You have to have two of three things, um, irregular periods, high androgens, and um polycystic ovaries on an ultrasound. I'm trying to advocate for people saying, if you have PCOS and you have painful periods or you have painful ovulation, that's not from your PCOS, that's from endometriosis, you need to dig deeper. And people get very upset about that because they don't understand that it's not the same thing. And I'm trying to help them out. I'm trying to be like, listen, I think you might have another diagnosis to add your list, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

And a lot of people do. A lot of there is so much crossover between both. So, but yes, also until people are ready to like acknowledge like they're never gonna be ready, and that's not on you. But thank you for doing education on something you don't even have. That is wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

Yeah, I just want people to know, like, you know, metabolic health matters with endometriosis management, but it's not gonna fully take away all your pain in the way that you know, metabolic health, proper metabolic health and balance is gonna help you start ovulating again with PCOS. Like they're not, they're not the same. So it's important to understand that that they're different. And then the other thing I think more than lifestyle changes, like I feel like I very rarely end up talking about, you know, what type of household cleaners I'm using and stuff like that, or like ingredients in my makeup. I very rarely am talking about that. What I feel like comes up a lot is diet. A lot of people say, you know, I've tried every diet, nothing has helped, and I will continue advocating for a proper diet till the day I die. Like I think that it is so important because I was loFodMAP for two years and I did not see a single change in my symptoms, literally at all. Now, with that being said, if I was eating, you know, gluten and dairy and all these things, like my symptoms probably would be worse. But I started cutting out gluten and dairy and then like four years later went low FODMAP. So it came in layers, so I can't really tell like how different it would be. I also don't drink any alcohol, so I just don't know what it would be like if I didn't do these things. But I think that's proof that like I was low FODMAP for my IBS for two years, and I still had periods that I was blacking out and almost vomiting and um wanted to die literally. But now I can understand and see that it's not just about taking things out of your diet, it's about adding things into your diet. It's so important to be getting, you know, at least 30 grams of fiber every single day. So important. Oh my gosh, yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

Fiber is fiber is so important.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

So important, so important. And my sister also sees a naprosurgeon, and her naprosurgeon actually prescribed her psilium husk. And so that's like part of her like management for endometriosis is psyllium husk. And I'm like, that's brilliant, that's that's amazing. Adding in anti-inflammatory things like turmeric, like ginger, like all of these wonderful things. It's it's and adding in your green, your your dark leafy greens and your cruciferous vegetables and your omegas, like all of these things, it's about adding that in. And if we're only focusing on taking things out, we're gonna end up eating a lot of crap. Because if you're cutting out gluten and you're like, oh, I can't have that gluten item, but I can get this gluten-free item, chances are it has tons of preservatives, tons of fillers, tons of yucky things in there, and you're gonna actually feel worse because it's more things than just the gluten now that are affecting you. So I really try to advocate again for like simplifying your diet and adding in the good stuff. So that's uh I that feels like a never-ending conversation. And I'm not trying to convince people or like not believe them that they've tried every diet and they're not working, but I'm just trying to encourage them. Like, you know, it's not again just about getting some, you know, dairy-free milk and dairy-free butter and dairy-free cheese and putting that in as a replacement.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Because it's looking at all the ingredients that are in those can sometimes trigger even more inflammation, which people don't realize. I feel like you've kind of taken on the role of your dad now, where you're like, have you tried this? Have you tried this? But it's true. And you have and like endo affects everyone so differently. So you have to do so much. I mean, there's so much trial and error to see how your body reacts to certain things. But I love that you said it's about adding things in, not necessarily taking things away.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Yeah. And I I like how you're saying everything affects people differently because there are so many layers to endometriosis. Like, yes, you know, one person might benefit from a low histamine diet where another person wouldn't, but they would die, uh they would benefit from like the Mediterranean diet, and that might not help that person. And so it's it's so true. Like, we all have different triggers and like we all kind of have our different things that flare us.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

So a hundred percent. Well, going back to kind of ballet and movement, so I'm assuming movement was really special to you growing up. How did your endometriosis affect your relationship with ballet and movement in general?

SPEAKER_01 38:47

This is a hard one. I might get a little emotional, but um I I love ballet and I love dance, and I think we have study after study after study showing that movement and dance and music are so good for the nervous system, and I have ADHD and getting to like move in that way, get my energy out, but also get to express. Like I'm a very deep feeler, and there's just so many parts to ballet that I love, and I'm very much an old soul. Like, I love um thrifting and I love vintage things, and I love you know baking and all I love all that. And so there's something about the history of ballet, even that I'm just like a nerd for. Like I just love it so much, and it was such a good thing to always have because you know it it it keeps you healthy, it keeps you very mobile, and like um it's good for mobility, it's good for your mind, it's good for everything. But in the Metriusis started affecting that at a very young age, I would have to miss classes very young, um, and that continued as I moved away from home. There were times where I would have to miss one to two days of dance, and I would lose roles or I would lose my spots, or if I was in first cast, I would be moved to second cast because I missed a day because of painful periods. And yeah, maybe that could have happened with a common cold or something like that too, but this was something that you know I had to deal with that a lot of people didn't have to deal with, and so that was really hard to grasp, and especially without a diagnosis. And then moving on to like COVID times when I had my first professional ballet job, the first season was over Zoom, which is crazy. And I remember like I would get my period, or it would be like, you know, late luneal phase, like two days before my period, and I would have to like go off the camera and like I would almost pass out because the fatigue was so severe, and I felt like if I jumped, like you know, did normal ballet jumps, like I was gonna break my ankle. I felt like I was just gonna collapse and my legs were gonna give out, and so that was really hard. And I remember emailing my company manager, and I was like, I can't continue today. I'm like, I think I have endometriosis, and yada yada yada. And she was like, I actually have stage four endometriosis, and I can send you like the name of my surgeon, and yeah, that was great. There, I have a lot of cool little moments with ballet teachers, and she was a company manager, so she wasn't a ballet teacher, she was on the administrative side, but of amazing women in my life who listened to me who did not compare and say, No, you'd be feeling this because I have it, like you would be feeling this way. They listened, they they understood, they showed so much compassion, offered resources, like wow, most amazing people. Yeah, I'm so thankful. So, shout out to Beth Everett and Holly Marble and Natalie Kells. They're the best. But yeah, so then my fatigue was getting worse. I ended up getting Epstein Barr virus. I was dating my um cadet from the Air Force Academy at the time, and I'm like, hmm, how did I get mono? Probably from the guy in college right now. But he wasn't going around kissing girls, but somehow I got mono. Yeah, so that was horrible. I had to actually quit my job, quit my ballet job. And like the ballet world is super competitive, it's super harsh, it's it's really brutal, and losing a job is like insane. I decided to quit. I was about to get married, and I was supposed to have a whole audition season and audition for companies where my husband was going. I had good connections, like it was looking really good. And then it was literally the day that I was supposed to film my audition video to set up some auditions that I came down with Epstein Bar virus and had a high fever and all those things. And so that just made all of my endosymptoms worse. It it flared everything up. I remember the first day when I had the high fever, like my bladder and like my whole pelvic floor was just in severe pain. And I was like, oh my gosh, like this must be endometriosis because I wasn't diagnosed yet, and I was like, if this fever is making my pelvic floor hurt, like something's getting inflamed. Like something, if it's like my joints and the rest of my body, and then like my bladder, like what is going on? So that really affected me. It was a really, really, really hard time. And I had the hope of getting married and moving off, you know, with my husband and starting a new life, which I had always dreamed of. I've always dreamed of being a wife and a mom, and like I'm very traditional in that way. So I was very excited. Um, but then when I went to audition the next season, I couldn't get through like audition season. I ended up getting some contracts and some jobs, and I turned them down because I was so severely fatigued. I was in so much pain. I I was not okay and I couldn't function. And that was kind of the moment where I fully let go. And I was like, yeah, so I'm gonna have to be okay with being a ballet teacher now, which I love teaching, but I was like, I don't think I'm gonna be a performer anymore. And so that was a long grieving process. It was really, really hard. Felt like a death. My parents went through it too. Like, my parents are not tiger parents, but they were my number one biggest, biggest, biggest supporters with ballet ever. Like they've they've given up everything for me. Um, the sacrifices they've made are just incredible. I could tell they were grieving. And even my husband, it was like I could tell like his heart was aching for me. I also went through an identity crisis. I was like, who am I? Like, I can't introduce myself, you know, when somebody asks what I do. Like, I can't say the thing that I've worked for my whole life anymore. And so that was hard losing that. And I think a lot of women with endometriosis relate to having to lay down their careers or their passions or even their hobbies, or even if it's something as simple as they love running marathons and they can't do that anymore. Like whatever it is, we've all had to lay something down. Although I manage my symptoms well, like it's management, it's not a cure. And so that's been hard, very, very hard. I love teaching ballet now. I have such a heart for women at every age. Like I love my teenage students so much. And like just getting to be like a good influence in their life when I hear them come in talking about their crazy teenage lives. I have so much passion for that. And so I'm so thankful that God has blessed me with other outlets. And I got to perform in the Christmas performance at the ballet studio I was teaching at last year. And so there have been wonderful little things here and there, even though I've I'm not doing this professionally anymore.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

So thank you so much for sharing that. And I'm so sorry. I know Endo can take so much from us, and the grieving process is so real. And I know for your family, like now having a daughter, I can only imagine. And it's so hard to imagine what it must be like to watch your daughter that you love so much who loves ballet so much and who has dedicated so much of her heart and time to it go through it, like go through having it being taken away from her. And it's totally out of your control. And I'm so sorry that you've gone through that. And the grieving process is so real. And I know for some, like it never ends. Like the grief will always still kind of be there because it's such a big part of who you are. So I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

There'll always be a little bit there, like where I, you know, go to the nutcracker or something, and I'm thinking in my head, like these people only knew. I was up there once.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

I know. Yeah, I know. But I'm so glad that you have that outlet now. And that you can also be a safe space for your students and you know, have that compassion if you ever get a student who, you know, has endometriosis or just a hard time with their health, that you can kind of be like that compassionate safe space for them. So that was really incredible. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. And so has how has being a dancer kind of like shaped your awareness around your body? Because I assume like ballet, you have to be very in tune with your body at all times.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

Yes. I think most professional athletes would relate to this, but it is a blessing and a curse because you're always doing body checks. You're always like, okay, you wake up in the morning, you like pump your ankles, crack your toes, and you're like, does anything feel off today? And you need to know that because you know, this is your moneymaker, you know, your mm-hmm. Yes, your moneymaker, it literally is when you're a professional athlete. So I feel like I find myself doing that still subconsciously, and I probably drive my husband crazy. He's so patient, but there's always something. Like I'm noticing every little, every little twinge, every little throb, ache, like whatever, especially like with Indo specifically. Like every day I'm like, oh, I'm having a bladder flare. Oh, I'm feeling a twinge right here. Like, I'm I'm like, I never stop complaining about those things. But I had a physical therapist when I had my first injury when I was, I don't know, I was probably 13. I had tendonitis in my psoas. She was like, Emma Rose, you are so body aware. Like, what the heck? Like, like I would notice every like referred anything. Like she'd be working one place and I'd be like, whoa, I feel that in my you know, back, or I feel that in my hip, or why do I feel that on the opposite side? And she was just like, wow, like you really notice like every little referred twinge and and everything. So it's definitely a blessing and a curse. It's helped me advocate, it's helped me notice changes in my symptoms when they get worse or when they get better, or when they change, like the pain, the type of pain has changed so much. When I was a teenager, like I mostly had backaches, like I didn't really have cramps in the front. And then when I was like 16, 17, like it moved to cramps in the front. And then that kind of like dull ache sensation turned into like a squeezing burning sensation, and it's like always changing. So I think it's helpful to be able to like advocate for myself and describe the type of pain I'm in. So yeah, I think it's it's a good thing mostly.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Yeah, good. No, it's so good to be aware of what's happening in your body, especially when they start to change and evolve. Yes, yes. Yeah. I've had something similar to where like I've had my symptoms under control for the most part, but then I think pregnancy triggered a lot of things in my body, and also they persisted beyond pregnancy. And so since then I've been very hyper-aware of everything that's been going on. And so I actually have another surgery scheduled for a couple weeks' time.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

So we'll see how that goes because my first surgery was ablation and it was an emergency surgery, so I didn't really know what was happening or what was going on, and you know, I didn't have a say in my surgeon or anything, it just kind of all happened and it was like a blur. So I have that to kind of explore everything that's happened in my body since pregnancy.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 49:29

And since then as well. So they're gonna correct the first surgery. And like you, I finally found like a surgeon that I feel really safe with, and I'm very excited to go into surgery, which is crazy to say, but I'm very, I'm like a little anxious, but very excited as well.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

So yeah, that's amazing. There's something so satisfying about like getting your photos after, and you're like, Yes, I've been feeling that on the right side, and that's on the right side. Oh my gosh. So yeah, I totally get being excited. It's like a dopamine hip when you get to know what's been going on inside.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

I know I had like um I had an MRI with contrast like a couple weeks back, and like he sent the results and he was like, Yep, I definitely see something on this side. It looks like something's adhered to this. And I'm like, see, like I'm not crazy because I kept telling my husband, I was like, just like you, oh, there's a twinge on the right side. I was like, the right side, something is going on there because I haven't felt this in a really long time, like since my last surgery. I was like, there's definitely something going on. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:29

That's what led me to get my second surgery, actually. Is like I just had this like my first surgery, it was because you know, the pain was getting worse, whatever. But I was getting like this twinge on my left side that would not stop. It ended up being like a really thick, nasty adhesion from my bowel to my ligament. But um, it was like probably six months before my second surgery, it came back. And I was like, Oh, there's that twinge. There's and it's it's like an annoying headache or like a crick in your neck. It's like you wake up with it, like you wake up in the night to go pee, and you're like, oh, there it is again. Exactly. It never stops.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

It doesn't. And like some days it's just a twinge, but there was one day where it just like took my breath away. I don't know what I was doing, but I was just like walking to the kitchen and I just like stopped and I like keeled over, and I was like, Oh my god. My husband was like, What? What happened? I was like, It's that freaking right twinge again. I was like, that's bad. So let's see, see what's on my right side. I'll keep you updated.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

Yes, I'm excited to hear about that. And it's like it you can feel so amazing, like brain fog wise, like joint pain wise, like just removing everything just can change everything. So I'm excited to hear how it feels excision versus ablusion.

SPEAKER_00 51:45

Yeah, me too. I feel like if I would have had the right surgery the first time around, things could have been so much more different, and my pregnancy journey could have also been dramatically different, and my mobility dramatically different. But again, I try not to let myself dwell on it too much. Like I can grieve kind of how my body was before and kind of accept where I am now. But yeah, some days are easier than others, and some days are a lot harder. So is there anything you wish you had known earlier in your journey?

SPEAKER_01 52:14

Oh, there's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 52:17

Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

I you and I have talked about this before. So I think you'll agree. But number one thing is letting yourself have like three months of any change to see if it helps. Um, and some things are going to be instant. I mean, I'm on Prometrium right now, by way progesterone. I take it in my luteal phase. Like first month I did that, similar to wild yam cream, it worked immediately. I did not need three months. But our body, you know, we hear men are on a 24 cycle, 24-hour cycle, women are on a 28-ish day cycle. But we're also on a three-month cycle, and that's, you know, for our follicle development. And it's it takes, you know, three months for like your current ovulation, like that follicle took three months to develop. And so the quality of that follicle, quality of that ovulation, again, took three months. And so anything that I do, I try to give myself three months. It's hard, it's painful. Um, it's not always fun. But any diet change, you know, if I'm like, okay, I'm gonna cut out refined sugar, again, three months to see if cutting out refined sugar helped. A new supplement, a new whatever consistency is huge. And like for anyone listening that has ADHD, which almost all of us angle girlies are neurodivergent, I mean, it's a thing, it's a pig. I think we have to set up things in our life. Like, if we want this bad enough, like if we want to see change in a natural way bad enough without birth control, we have to find ways. Like, if you need to go on Chat GPT and be like, biohack my brain. Like, what do I need to do?

SPEAKER_00 53:47

Like, what do I need to do?

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Yes, like what do I need to do to um stay consistent? What how do I need a habit stack? How like what do I need to do? And that's that's crucial. Consistency. It's it's your best tool.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

And habit stacking is so useful for that because I was awful at like young teenage jasmine, awful at taking vitamins, like even in my early 20s, awful. Again, I would take it for like a couple times a week. Like I would forget, and by the end of the month, I'd be like, Yeah, it didn't really do anything for me. Yeah, like it's I'm ruling it out now. It doesn't work for me. But no, it doesn't work like that. You have to be so consistent. Yes, give it time. Three-month rule is great. Yes, what I live by too.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

Yeah, and something I have been recommending recently when people ask me about this is um starting on the first day of your period, which can be really hard because you might be too nauseous to start a new regimen or a new practice or whatever. So excuse me. Even if it has to be on like day three of your period or something, like start with your period because you have that reference point. Like if you track or if you have an app, like you can be like, when did I start this? And it feels, I don't know, again, this is my ADHD brain. Like I love the new year. The new year is like the best thing in the world. To me, I'm like, we get to restart all of my ADHD craziness, gets to like come to a head and we get to restart. And like that's what the start of your period can be. So, like, either like the first day of a month or the first day of your period, you know, kind of start there and you have that reference point and it's clear as day. And then it's helpful too because when you get that fourth period, hopefully it's a lot better.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Yes, definitely. And what is something that you hope people can take away from your endo content on TikTok?

SPEAKER_01 55:30

Well, I guess uh hope, hope is a big one. That's kind of like that first thing, like the kind of my why. Just helping people see that you can do this holistically, you can do this naturally. Like there is hope that you'll find some relief. And then another thing, like I hope to make people laugh a little bit. I like to joke about endo, you know, proper education, obviously. Also, it's kind of silly, but I really hope that people start putting together my onion, my onion analogy, that endometriosis is like an onion and it has many layers. And I hope that they start connecting the dots, that you know, there are the lay there's the layer of the muscle tension, there's the layer of the histamines, the layer or muscle activation, the layer of inflammation, of nerve involvement, of you know, all these things, and that they start seeing that as they start peeling away these layers and addressing these individual things, that things get a little bit better and a little bit better and a little bit better. And so I hope that they can start connecting those dots and also find hope through through all of that.

SPEAKER_00 56:37

So I mean, I think that's what I get through your page. So I think you're already doing a wonderful job at that.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

And where can our listeners find you?

SPEAKER_01 56:48

I am on TikTok, that's where I'm most active and I post the most. So that's at MROs.ln, I think. Um, I should have written this out in front of me. And then I'm on Instagram. If you don't have a TikTok, I don't post as much and I don't really go as in depth. Honestly, I do.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

I feel like you should on Instagram. I honestly feel like you really, really should.

SPEAKER_01 57:11

Yeah, I have a lot of catching up to do. I have a lot to catch up.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

Just repost all the old TikTok content on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

That's probably what I should do. I honestly like don't always want like my friends and family seeing like everything about my like fecal incontinence and everything. And like well, that's fair too. It feels like TikTok's like the safe place that I can talk about all that. Yeah, that's at the dotindo.girly. And then if you want to follow my ballet journey, I'm not, you know, as active, but that's um at emeros.ballet on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 57:44

Perfect. Well, thank you so much for sharing your entire journey with us today. I think it's so important to share our journeys because, like we said, Endo affects everyone so differently. And I'm sure so many people will be able to relate to different parts of your journey and feel seen, seen and heard. So thank you so much for coming on today. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

Thank you so much for having me, and thank you so much for everything that you have poured into the Endometriosis community and all of your hard work, and I'm sure many sleepless nights that you've that you've um experienced to help other Indogirlies um experience the same relief that you have.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

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